A few weeks ago, Jerry reached out and said that he wanted to do an episode on cancel culture, that he thought there were aspects about that debate that are relevant to the work we do. In his view, the debate around cancel culture was not a demand for change on the one side and desire for the status quo on the other, but rather a form of resistance on both sides. He felt those of us who desire change needed a "third way" approach, something different from the extremes that are currently dominating the debate. It is looking for that third way that drives our conversation in this episode.
Here is the diagram by Prochaska and DiClemente that Jerry references in this epiosde: